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I'm Gimp. Fix Me.

Post  Psiiche on Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:27 pm

This is under the Suggestions forum because it initially is a suggestion, but you can call it a stand, petition, strike, whatever as well. I am putting a halt to my moderating duties until something is done about how gimp my job is.

This is a rant I wrote to the mods two and a half days ago and beside half a reply from Swing, it has gone unresponded to from the owners. I will admit it was on the mad/upset side more-so than done in a professional manner, but I'm not going to rewrite it to make it sound better. I'll write more courteous about it below.

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Okay guys. this plugin we have that lets us spectate people is REALLY fucking broken. I know we can't write the code for it but is there not another plugin that does the same thing and works? Can we somehow get ahold of the people who make it? I'm about sick and tired of drowning when my spec'd person drowns or dying when they die, or LOSING MY INVENTORY because the server decides to take a shit when I'm inspecting them! I just lost my sword AGAIN, my two best picks AGAIN, INCLUDING my silk touch. They're out there in the middle of fucking nowhere where that person died, out in a swamp. If this continues I'm going to stop spectating people altogether and simply follow them around. But wait, I can't do that because I don't have /vanish! For some reason, all the perks that would benefit a mod are given to DONATORS. Seriously. High enough donators can mod the game without our help by kicking and vanishing to watch players, why the fuck am I even here? No need to demote Zach he can still catch griefers and kick them, he barely lost anything at all by getting demoted. Fly? Give it to someone with money. Godmode? Give it to someone with money. Vanish? Give it to someone with money. Warps? Give access to someone with money or plays the server for hours on end and finally ranks high enough to get it. But don't give any of them to a moderator, someone who's supposed to protect the server when you're gone. OH and while I'm finally letting all this out, biased much? Zach's gotten to use creative, Becca's gotten to use creative, but what, I'm not trusted enough? I want to use it on the PVP Arena for fuck's sakes, not go pimp my own damn house out with it, or wreck other people's shit! I thought maybe after putting my own money, time, and blocks into the arena now that I have proven myself trustworthy already? You guys complain about being nagged to fix things all the time as soon as you sign on, maybe if you lightened your work load a little bit the playing would be a little more meaningful for you guys? Holy fuck, throw me a god damn bone here already! I WANT to finish the server's arena, I WANT to protect it from people who don't give a shit about it, and I WANT to help people who need it, not just feel like a damn packmule lackey who has to bug the shit out of someone for it to get done!

I'm starting this strike and not ending it until I am either demoted, or I am given something that I can actually do to help people on this server. I will write out what I'm asking for, why, and when I would use it. Note I'm not asking for every single thing, even ONE THING out of them all would fix half the problems I'm having.

Inventory Control
In the past 3 days we have had many, many new people join our server from our threads getting bumped. New people are nice, but some of them are only here to terrorize. Within the last 3 days I have done at least 15 permbans on people who did nothing but grief houses and steal things with no intention to return them. some took walls, doors, and decor, while others went for the expensive things like anvils, bookshelves, enchanting tables, and other valuable blocks. When the owners of the house come back on all I can tell them is "the person has been banned, sorry you'll have to go get those over again". If I had some form of control of their inventory I could make them drop these blocks they stole so that I can give them back to the owners when they log in next.

People Movement
In our PVP Arena there are many who come in, see pvp going on, and just jump in without asking what's going on. Two people could be there trying to get player heads to drop and they're getting interrupted by someone who couldn't care less and just wants to kill everyone. I cannot do a damn thing except kick them from the game to stop them temporarily, or give them a ban to keep them out of the entire game for a short while. If I had the ability to /tphere people I could remove them from the arena entirely. This would also help me with removing people from other's houses or towns when they show up uninvited, which I have also seen happening a lot lately.

Vanish
I am literally sick and tired of dying from the /spectator addon we have. I'm fed up with losing everything I have from doing my job. If I /spec someone and they are on the verge of drowning, I INSTANTLY DROWN right along with them, and I drop everything I had AT THEIR DEATH LOCATION, be it wherever it is in the wild. I have also lost my inventory from spec'ing people shortly before the server crashes. If I spectate someone from my own house with my own tools and blocks in my inventory and the server crashes while I am in spectate mode, I will login at THEIR location, with THEIR inventories, and my things will be lost. this plugin is broken and I'm tired of losing all these damn enchants from illegitimate means that I can't get back. If I die in the wild, that is my fault. If I fall in lava, that is my fault. If I'm in the middle of nowhere and I fall off a cliff, that is my fault, and I will EAT THE LOSS if I create my own death. But these deaths are being caused by me doing my job, so if I'm being given a way to DIE from being a mod, I would like a way to SURVIVE in the same light. Vanishing would completely remove the threat of death while watching someone, I can stop using the spectate plugin altogether.

Breaking Abilities
One of the houses that got griefed last night had a sign placed right inside it's front door saying "LOL THIS HOUSE NEEDS BETTER SECURITY HAHAHAH" and the owner of the house asked if I could break it, and neither the sign or the stone it was on could be broken. Now they have to wait until way later in the day today when one of the owners gets on for that sign to be removed from their front door. Why do I not have the ability to fix what little grief I can? How come being able to break locked signs (especially ones done with griefing intentions) is too important of an ability for me to have? Do you want to fly around all night to each of these when I had already been there earlier in the day and could have done it myself?

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Now it's time for Q&A.

"You signed up to be a mod, no one made you do it."
Yes, I know I willingly signed up for this. What I didn't know was how limited I would be at it.

"If you got vanish you'd just stalk people/avoid mobs"
The hell? I can do that already with spectate if I honestly felt like dying more often. I also have no interest in following other people for hours on end, I have things I want to go and do, too. And obviously the server would know if I was always in vanish, because they'd never see my name in the online players list now would they? Why would I abuse a privilege I'm asking for so bad?

"Why don't you just donate to get those perks?"
Why should I have to pay to do my job? The last time I checked I was doing this job for free to help the server, now you're telling me I have to pay my own job to do it effectively?

"Why don't you just stop being mod then if it's so bad?"
Fine. If we're going to play the game of "shut up or get out" then I don't want to be around people with this kind of maturity level. I enjoy playing here and since I have the time to do so I want to moderate it. Partially because it needs it, and partially because I don't want to see the server understaffed and fill my place with someone who sucks at their job.

"This is their server and they can run it how they want to"
Yes I understand this, but saying they're going to recruit mods for the server and then giving them shit abilities is almost the same as not hiring any staff. They're still stuck doing almost everything on their own, they're still stuck being pestered by everyone the moment they sign on for frivolous things, and they get that much less motivation to sign on everyday. What are they going to do when we get 25 or 30 active members, tp to each and every little misplaced sign and personally remove them? Have fun with that, since they wouldn't let me help them. the first multiplayer server I ever played allowed moderators to roll back grief and break locked things, and that server is still standing to this day. Just put your trust in the right people.

"Maybe it's a matter of trust is why you don't have those"
Okay, let's recap here (and forgive me for talking about myself). I applied for trial mod, did a kickass job at it, kept record of my activity here (and still do), and earned mod over even the trials that were here long before me. I also to this day have done nothing to this server that would damage it whether it be blocks or players. I am not a harassing type, I am not a vengeful type, and I do not retaliate. I have done nothing on this server to have not earned trust by now. and obviously getting to Moderator says they have, even if small, a tiny amount of it in me. Or at least I would hope. I'm not a "trial" anymore, I've passed my "trial", now let me do the job I signed up for.

I'm not asking for op or creative, I'm not asking for godmode, I'm not asking for all those shiny donator perks like fly, disguise, feed, enchant, repair, back, or whatever else they get. Let them have what they are paying for. I'm asking that I be given some kind of break here and something I can seriously benefit from.




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Re: I'm Gimp. Fix Me.

Post  Spiddles on Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:27 am

I will look for a plugin that is better than the current spectating one soon. I won't be able to for another 24 hours because I don't have access to my computer. The plugin will be changed whether you continue your strike or not, so I would much prefer you to continue moderating in the meantime without using spectate. The plugin is glitchy but we continued to use it because it is/was the best option at the time.

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Post  PizzaCreeper101 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:46 am

It is best to use VanishNoPacket as that is the simplest and the easiest to use rather than all the other disappearance plugins. You should disable or change some of the donation perks or add more abilities to the Authority (Mods, Admin).
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Re: I'm Gimp. Fix Me.

Post  Obblebobble on Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:34 pm

Psiiche wrote:[center][color=darkblue]
Inventory Control
In the past 3 days we have had many, many new people join our server from our threads getting bumped. New people are nice, but some of them are only here to terrorize. Within the last 3 days I have done at least 15 permbans on people who did nothing but grief houses and steal things with no intention to return them. some took walls, doors, and decor, while others went for the expensive things like anvils, bookshelves, enchanting tables, and other valuable blocks. When the owners of the house come back on all I can tell them is "the person has been banned, sorry you'll have to go get those over again". If I had some form of control of their inventory I could make them drop these blocks they stole so that I can give them back to the owners when they log in next.

I think as a full mod you should be given the rollback ability, i.e you can roll back somebodies house/items and everything is solved.

Psiiche wrote:[center][color=darkblue]
People Movement
In our PVP Arena there are many who come in, see pvp going on, and just jump in without asking what's going on. Two people could be there trying to get player heads to drop and they're getting interrupted by someone who couldn't care less and just wants to kill everyone. I cannot do a damn thing except kick them from the game to stop them temporarily, or give them a ban to keep them out of the entire game for a short while. If I had the ability to /tphere people I could remove them from the arena entirely. This would also help me with removing people from other's houses or towns when they show up uninvited, which I have also seen happening a lot lately.

The arena is not really a staff job, it's just something you do for the community as a player. So I don't think you should get any commands to assist with the arena besides the current ones you have.

Psiiche wrote:[center][color=darkblue]
Vanish
I am literally sick and tired of dying from the /spectator addon we have. I'm fed up with losing everything I have from doing my job. If I /spec someone and they are on the verge of drowning, I INSTANTLY DROWN right along with them, and I drop everything I had AT THEIR DEATH LOCATION, be it wherever it is in the wild. I have also lost my inventory from spec'ing people shortly before the server crashes. If I spectate someone from my own house with my own tools and blocks in my inventory and the server crashes while I am in spectate mode, I will login at THEIR location, with THEIR inventories, and my things will be lost. this plugin is broken and I'm tired of losing all these damn enchants from illegitimate means that I can't get back. If I die in the wild, that is my fault. If I fall in lava, that is my fault. If I'm in the middle of nowhere and I fall off a cliff, that is my fault, and I will EAT THE LOSS if I create my own death. But these deaths are being caused by me doing my job, so if I'm being given a way to DIE from being a mod, I would like a way to SURVIVE in the same light. Vanishing would completely remove the threat of death while watching someone, I can stop using the spectate plugin altogether.

I agree, remove spectate and add vanish for moderators. The fact that donators have vanish is stupid, and /kick is also stupid as it is easily abused. Also off topic, /enchant is stupid, it makes enchantments in-valuable... My fix command is quite good, yet it doesn't de-value enchantments, it just keeps the enchantments in the game without being lost forever. Anyway off topic, yeah no vanish for donator, vanish for moderators.

Psiiche wrote:[center][color=darkblue]
Breaking Abilities
One of the houses that got griefed last night had a sign placed right inside it's front door saying "LOL THIS HOUSE NEEDS BETTER SECURITY HAHAHAH" and the owner of the house asked if I could break it, and neither the sign or the stone it was on could be broken. Now they have to wait until way later in the day today when one of the owners gets on for that sign to be removed from their front door. Why do I not have the ability to fix what little grief I can? How come being able to break locked signs (especially ones done with griefing intentions) is too important of an ability for me to have? Do you want to fly around all night to each of these when I had already been there earlier in the day and could have done it myself?

For this... Well if you were able to break locked signs, I think as far as I know, you could open locked chests. And what if one day, spiddles made you really mad, and you were quitting the server yet decided to go round and steal everyone's stuff. Not good, if you can have the permissions to break locked signs yeah I agree with that, or as I said earlier, just the permission to rollback grief with logblock.



I agree with most things you're saying here. Here is my recap:

- No vanish for donors
- Vanish for moderators
- No spectate at all, unless said spectator has god-mode
- No fly for staff, they don't need it, nor do they need god
- More logblock commands for staff, rollback, etc
- Ability to break locked signs as a staff member, why go to the effort of rolling back an area to remove 1 sign?

Thanks for reading.
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Re: I'm Gimp. Fix Me.

Post  Psiiche on Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:56 pm

Obblebobble wrote:For this... Well if you were able to break locked signs, I think as far as I know, you could open locked chests. And what if one day, spiddles made you really mad, and you were quitting the server yet decided to go round and steal everyone's stuff. Not good, if you can have the permissions to break locked signs yeah I agree with that, or as I said earlier, just the permission to rollback grief with logblock.

If I were an operator of a server myself I admit I would also be wary of this happening if my staff were to become upset, so yes I see where you're coming from. If signs can be broken without gaining chest access then I still ask for this ability. If it cannot be given without chest access then I would ask for either a "trial" of this ability as well to prove I will not abuse it, or, well I can't ask for trust it has to be earned. But know that I have no freaking idea where everyone's houses are located on this server haha! I might know how to get to Eridia from spawn, but other than that I would literally have to find houses one by one (unless I were to be dumb enough to tp to people currently online, in which I'd get caught). If it helps speak for my character though, that time we were whitelisted with chests/buildings being unguarded I had the opportunity to steal then and passed it by in favor of being courteous and keeping a clean record. Also if I were ever to quit the server the first thing I would do is tell Spids or Swing so they know to demote me/remove permissions.

I agree with your opinion on /kick not being available to donators, and agree with your opinion on access to rolling back. Thanks.
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